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If the straight guy killed himself, pretty sure he would have had other issues than just; "a gay dude is making my life a little harder right now". People won't kill themselves over things like that unless they have some mental disability that affects them in a drastic way. Things like these get so taken out of context and give heaps of people a bad name. I mean, the gay dude is already a prick for harassing the straight guy, but everyone gets 10x saltier when they realize someone committed suicide. Sure, blame the gay dude for being a prick, but don't put suicide in the same paragraph so that it assumes he's the reason someone died. That's just terrible.

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As tragic as that is I hardly see how that's reflective of the LGBT community in any way. That's just a stupid individual resorting to scum of the earth tactics because they can't handle rejection. This kind of thing happens between straight people as well and to put this on the LGBT community is pretty unfair to those apart of it who've never have and would never even consider such a thing (People such as me.)

You people associate with this. To me, associating with a group with a bad name, whether or not you do the thing in question, tells me "Yeah, I'm willing to associate with these people that DO do the shitty things".

I feel like there's a lot of missing information here. Gay guy basically asks straight guy out, he declines, then gay guy's like "Well I'mma tell everyone you harassed me" so the straight guy killed himself?!

 

On a side note, don't open up with "have you heard this joke?" Then proceed into telling a tragic story. You come off as an asshole.

I guess we've forgotten the:

Me calling the people who thought Zootopia was good retards

Me drawing furry verbal abuse art to mess with furries

Me telling racist jokes on deviantART knowing full well they don't take too kindly to that.

incidents.

Besides, the point was that it sounds so farfetched that it had to have been a joke, but then surprise it happened.

If the straight guy killed himself, pretty sure he would have had other issues than just; "a gay dude is making my life a little harder right now". People won't kill themselves over things like that unless they have some mental disability that affects them in a drastic way. Things like these get so taken out of context and give heaps of people a bad name. I mean, the gay dude is already a prick for harassing the straight guy, but everyone gets 10x saltier when they realize someone committed suicide. Sure, blame the gay dude for being a prick, but don't put suicide in the same paragraph so that it assumes he's the reason someone died. That's just terrible.

You might have not read the "Title IX kangaroo court" part of the title. It's okay. Here, I'll condense his problems: being convicted of harassment and threats without a hearing, then having that put on his record.

No mental health problems, looked forward to his future, then blam he gets accused of something he never did, didn't have any way to defend himself, since there was no hearing or even investigation come to think of it, and it was written on his record.

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Don't even know what "Title IX kangaroo court" means.

But dude...

You people associate with this. To me, associating with a group with a bad name, whether or not you do the thing in question, tells me "Yeah, I'm willing to associate with these people that DO do the shitty things".

Please be kidding. XD

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Don't even know what "Title IX kangaroo court" means.

But dude...

You people associate with this. To me, associating with a group with a bad name, whether or not you do the thing in question, tells me "Yeah, I'm willing to associate with these people that DO do the shitty things".

Please be kidding. XD

A kangaroo court is an improperly held hearing where people just want the person accused in prison as quickly as possible without knowing if they actually did it or not and the courts oblige. In this case, it was just going on his record, but the point still stands.

 

And no. Go ahead and explain why my logic is the most retarded thing you've heard, then.

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in lgtb because I'm bisexual. That hasn't stopped me from being critical of the movement and their shortcomings. Holding everyone accountable for the actions of the few is stupid because your forcing the blame onto those who aren't guilty of anything. I could just as easily say that you are responsible for all hate based crimes against lgtb people because you're being critical but I'm not because despite being a programmer I don't view he world in 1's and 0's.

 

That's like sayin all gamers are sexist basement dwellers because you saw a few of them online. I'm guessing I don't need to go into how wrong that is here of all places.

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in lgtb because I'm bisexual. That hasn't stopped me from being critical of the movement and their shortcomings. Holding everyone accountable for the actions of the few is stupid because your forcing the blame onto those who aren't guilty of anything. I could just as easily say that you are responsible for all hate based crimes against lgtb people because you're being critical but I'm not because despite being a programmer I don't view he world in 1's and 0's.

 

That's like sayin all gamers are sexist basement dwellers because you saw a few of them online. I'm guessing I don't need to go into how wrong that is here of all places.

My point isn't that "all LGBT are shitty people", or that "everyone in the LGBT community is responsible", it's "you choose to take on this label, so I can only assume you're okay with being associated with this sort of behaviour since you knew well beforehand this kind of shit isn't some fairytale that never happened".

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Except I'm not okay with that association which precisely why I'm being critical of them.

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And that's great, this was all just disgusting behaviour. Not just the student, he wasn't too bad. The school is the culprit, it threw procedure into the fire then pissed on it. I guess I can't convince you of anything, but I see this sort of preferential treatment so often I have to say something.

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The thing is I don't need convincing of anything since I know the LGBT community is flawed. I often rant to my friends all the time about the shit that goes in with it and we're all apart of it. What I'm trying to get at however is pushing the blame onto them when an individual and the legal system or part of it is more responsible for this than lgbt is is not the right way to go about this. Like I said this isn't 1's and 0's. Multiple things are at play here and the world would be better off recognizing that than just lumping it all onto one entity. The idea of preferential treatment over sexuality causes problems in the legal system but to throw legality itself to the wind is another issue altogether.

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Like I said before, I'm not blaming the whole community. You don't seem to get that. I'm saying the people who really associate with it don't mind it much, or if they do, it's because it makes them look bad. ONE OR TWO, okay? ONE OR TWO, repeated so you understand, out of 1000 might do some fucked shit like this, but IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, and remember THE INTERNET IS A BIG PLACE, this sort of thing isn't even brought up, and when it is it's been excused.

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Okay fine blame was the wrong word. It's a little hard to make a coherent point with the correct words when you're trying to mashing out a paragraph on your phone while walking to class.

 

The whole point I'm trying to make is that what it seems you're doing is throwing a blanket over the whole community, writing your own ideas about what they do and think, and then applying that assumption to everyone who happens to hold any association with LGBT. It's basically the hasty generalization fallacy and it hurts you just as much as it hurts those thrown under that blanket.

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The problem with that line of thinking is that there are simply too many people, you have to start generalising in order to say anything. You're generalising as well when you say that not everyone is x. There simply are too many people not to.

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The problem with that line of thinking is that there are simply too many people, you have to start generalising in order to say anything. You're generalising as well when you say that not everyone is x. There simply are too many people not to.

 

That isn't what generalizing is, in fact that's the complete OPPOSITE of what generalizing is because it's making it CLEAR that not everyone in a group follows a certain generalization.

I agree that generalization has its purpose as long as you make an effort to be factual and statistical about it, but if you think there's anything factual or statistical about "you should be ashamed to associate with the lgbt community because of this", you aren't the freshest berry in the bunch.

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The problem with that line of thinking is that there are simply too many people, you have to start generalising in order to say anything. You're generalising as well when you say that not everyone is x. There simply are too many people not to.

 

That isn't what generalizing is, in fact that's the complete OPPOSITE of what generalizing is because it's making it CLEAR that not everyone in a group follows a certain generalization.

I agree that generalization has its purpose as long as you make an effort to be factual and statistical about it, but if you think there's anything factual or statistical about "you should be ashamed to associate with the lgbt community because of this", you aren't the freshest berry in the bunch.

Here's where I'm coming from with that: if you assume that /not/ all X are one way or another that's still assuming the amount of people, and is still making a large assumption, just in a different way. Like how squares and circles are shapes but not the same. It's making a broad, general statement about a group of people. I know there's nothing statistical about that, that's why I made it clear, or at least thought I did, that that's what I think, not know.

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Except it's not making a large assumption. It's completely factual to say "not all x are y" because in pretty much any demographic that's big enough to generalize, there is always at LEAST one exception to the generalization.

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A generalization is taking a single set of characteristics and applying it to the whole. To say that "not all x are y" isn't a generalization since it's accepting that each of the individuals stand on their own. It's pretty much considered as the factual default. With the amount of people that make up a community, it'd be cult-level suspicious if the same set of characteristics factually applied to every member.

 

Edit: Tangent: Anyone else getting a weird issue where if you try to scroll too quickly while the page is loading the scroll stops working? Only seems to happen to me on this website and it's happened on 3 different computers now.

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Edit: Tangent: Anyone else getting a weird issue where if you try to scroll too quickly while the page is loading the scroll stops working? Only seems to happen to me on this website and it's happened on 3 different computers now.

THANK FUCK I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE! I didn't know that's how you caused it though. I thought it was Chrome giving me the finger.

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That's only happened to me on a tablet. I didn't think it could happen anywhere else

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