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Well this got interesting very quickly... @RaTcHeT302 Has many good points, especially regarding the superiority complex of many of the Linux supporters. (which were very strongly confirmed as existing by @ScumCoder) I grew up with DOS, and am not afraid in the slightest of the CLI, but even I can clearly see the benefit of the GUI for making everything work much easier, and much faster for a user. Even one that knows exactly what they need to do in the command line.

 

Because of that, I've gotten to the point that I only really recommend LMDE to people looking to start out on Linux after using Windows for a while. Plenty of GUI everywhere and for everything. The biggest thing that people need to learn with it is that you only get your programs from a single app, not not individually from wherever you download them. If you need to add a repo though, that's where it gets complicated. (though not as much so with what comes with LMDE)

 

Once people get past the learning curve for the repo system, they can usually do anything they want in LMDE, excluding certain Windows stuff. (like most games, or Photoshop) For anyone used to Android as a primary OS, (there's more and more of them every year) Linux is very easy to learn.

 

I just wish that more games would make a Linux version, as Linux has a significantly lower overhead, causing more system resources to be available for game use. Too bad game designers prefer to use DX12 instead of Vulcan. (despite Vulcan/OpenGL being superior in many ways, and on-par in all the rest)

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6 hours ago, BTGBullseye said:

I just wish that more games would make a Linux version, as Linux has a significantly lower overhead, causing more system resources to be available for game use. Too bad game designers prefer to use DX12 instead of Vulcan. (despite Vulcan/OpenGL being superior in many ways, and on-par in all the rest)

Fuck games. Linux should just be a tool for industry professionals. The more esoteric, less people I have to compete with to get my next job.

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8 hours ago, Im_CIA said:

Fuck games. Linux should just be a tool for industry professionals. The more esoteric, less people I have to compete with to get my next job.

It really should, but games are the ones that would benefit the most from the additional resources, and there are WAY more people interested in increasing their gaming performance for free, hence the use of games as the pushing force.

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I like how Ross says Amnesia is bad and someone suggests SOMA as better game. I thought soma is universally hated. It would be interesting to know what Ross would think. I would bet he's also going to hate it.

 

Stadia is almost dead already, most people in the industry does not believe in it.

 

On topic of Linux: wine isn't easy, especially on nvidia. If you want a game to be running on Linux you may just ask people to run the game in specific manner so they come up back with ready solution (it may not work the same on your machine though). I dunno why people recommend lutris or playonlinux - those are launchers that are meant to run scripts that someone else did. If you are running weird games, then well - those aren't going to help you.

 

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Some of those characters in the game reminded me of comic book characters: Jonah Jameson, ra's al ghul, Doctor Strange.  

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On 11/8/2019 at 12:53 PM, RaTcHeT302 said:

if grandma can't browse facebook she won't care about linux

All my elder relatives use Linux only. They actually find it way more friendly than Windows, for exactly the same reason why the 13-years-old boy that I mentioned: they have a fresh pair of eyes and can judge objectively. (Before you ask: for certain reasons my grandparents got into Internet only around 2010 and they pretty much had no experience whatsoever with computers before that).

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On 11/9/2019 at 1:57 PM, BTGBullseye said:

especially regarding the superiority complex of many of the Linux supporters. (which were very strongly confirmed as existing by @ScumCoder

 

Superiority complex is when someone considers himself superior. This does not apply to me in any way, shape or form.

Au contraire, I consider myself a painfully plain and average person in pretty much every aspect. This is the very reason why I find all those "LInux is for geeks" bullshit ridiculous.

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On 11/9/2019 at 8:51 PM, Im_CIA said:

Fuck games. Linux should just be a tool for industry professionals. The more esoteric, less people I have to compete with to get my next job.

Okay, I admit that I do agree with you here. (Also I like how this instantly reminded me of your previous pearl about post-2004 games).

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On 11/10/2019 at 3:17 PM, NightNord said:

I thought SOMA is universally hated. It would be interesting to know what Ross would think. I would bet he's also going to hate it.

You might not like it, but this is the first time I've heard that sentiment. I have to assume you're not thinking of another game since you mentioned Frictional's Amnesia in the same sentence. In fact checking Wikipedia it looks like it was reviewed fairly well and sold more than Amnesia. (they are very different games though)

 

I just finished SOMA the other day thanks to the free Epic promotion and it was quite good. Not perfect by any stretch. The problems it had seemed like they were a result of budget. The story is nothing special if you're already familiar with digital immortality and AI. No idea if Ross would like it. Might be too boring / tedious in parts. I'm a big fan of stealth games and still felt the hiding and waiting was pretty annoying in this one.

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On 11/7/2019 at 7:40 PM, Im_CIA said:

LInux is great for software development and little niches. But try anything beyond that, and the entire DIY aspect quickly regresses into a cargo cult of little rituals you have to do in order to get what you want out of it

 

 

On 11/8/2019 at 11:33 AM, RaTcHeT302 said:

 

i should be able to accomplish most tasks by simply clicking a few buttons, i shouldn't have to go through 50 steps, when, linux could handle the first 45, and let me to the last 5 by myself

 

i shouldn't have to scan a huge list of obscure commands, and just hope to god that i can google the right things, in order to hopefully find what i need - and if i can't find the info which i need, because i don't have an ui, that means that i can't just go by trial and error anymore, i'm pretty much stuck with a problem which i cannot solve

 

at least with windows, you can just click on a bunch of random buttons, and you might get a result eventually, and linux does have UI based software, but anything more advanced, usually demands you to use the command line

 

 

 

 

On 11/8/2019 at 1:28 AM, RaTcHeT302 said:

 

windows? just double click on the thingy, boom, done - jesus linux, windows does things like this for a reason you know, they weren't stupid in the 90s when they designed the OS, it clearly was made with accessibility in mind, it's just that windows 10 and the modern era of ui, care more about big flashy icons, with slow ass interfaces, than pure usability

 

 

I get where you are coming from, so here's a search text that helped me when I first began: how to do [insert your thing] in Ubuntu, Arch ect.  Also, this webpage lists the more important debian bash commands as well as the pacman/yay https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Rosetta so this will definitely help a newcomer. It should also be said that you can double click on icons even icons for windows programs if you have wine installed. This all being said though, learning all this shit isn't for everyone, and maybe there should be a more watered down linux os for the average joe that is still open sourced.

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