4 hours ago, Misagh said:
This was a very difficult video to watch. I feel like all of Ross's problems here are self-inflicted, and mostly due to trying to fit to his model an operating system that really doesn't want to. I should also say this: I'd hate for Ross's standards in GUI design to become the industry's standard. His choices are so alien and unappealing to me that I'd probably stop using GUI entirely if they were to become the norm.
This is part of the reason I plan to make a followup. I didn't adequately explain that what I have NOW is NOT my vision of what I WANT the GUI to be like. The only aspects of my current GUI I defend are shortcuts off the desktop, my hotspot launching option, and rapid identification. I apologize if I made it seem like my current GUI was the way to go. Now, if you're attacking me on the pie menu system and gestures though, that's fair, I'll take that. I WAS advocating that I think that could lead to a lot of advancements.
8 hours ago, Isaiah said:
You seem to be talking about specific application guis here which is not at all what the video and discussion is about, so it's not really applicable, even though you can edit lots of types of media with the keyboard. You prefer a GUI (me too) and that's totally fine but the reason this whole CLI vs GUI debate happened was because you disputed the usefulness/efficiency of the keyboard. But just because you don't personally like using it doesn't mean it's objectively worse (quite the opposite in many cases actually).
However, none of this matters if you don't want to use the keyboard. You keep saying people are welcome to prove you wrong but at the same time you seem quite paranoid of keyboard proponents and seem to view them as irrational zealots who want to take away your mouse. So I'm not sure you are as open-minded as you think you are. It might be a lot better if you just stated you're only interested in GUI solutions so nobody waste time suggesting things you'll never try.
It's not that I won't try it, it's that I'm not seeing the speed increases for non-coders. If I spend most of my time doing multimedia, that means I'm on the mouse a lot and it's unavoidable. So that means switching back to the commandline to type is an additional delay in time. Again, this is partially about EFFICIENCY.
I acknowledged in this thread that if you're typing on the keyboard most of the time, the keyboard could be more efficient! That was a consideration I hadn't made before. As for irrational zealots who want to take away my mouse, have you seen the Youtube comments?
I'm not against using the keyboard, I'm against slowdown. If I'm working in multimedia and web browsing and many other varied programs, using the mouse for maximum speed is inevitable. So that swapback needs to be taken into consideration, otherwise my TOTAL speed goes down. But disregarding that, give me some non-programming scenarios where the CLI is simply faster and I bet I could come up with some GUI concepts that would be about as fast. There might be a few where there the CLI edge it out, but I'm guessing not a lot. I think it would have be something extremely specific before a versatile custom-designed GUI would fail.