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I use no programs for adjusting ui, all of the changes I do are done using windows 10 and ui options.

 

I am a programmer so I use my computer a lot. I disagree about icons on the desktop. The desktop represents your workspace. For me it fills up as I work on a project, and when I am done or it gets cluttered, I file it away. Win+d gets to and from the desktop, so all of the files are one press away at any point. I keep it free of shortcuts.

I should also mention most of my work is done on laptops, which is not what I prefer, but they are just too useful. Since I don't have 2 monitors, I often work from windows I dock using win+arrow or dragging the header to one of the screen corners. I also map the 4 finger vertical swipe to volume control.

For selecting programs I just do winkey then type the first couple of letters, I like not having to take my hands off of the keyboard.

 

I am not an organized person irl, but I've found my layout helps me stay sane. There are thing I would like to change though. I think with OLEDs on the way, dark interfaces should support blacker blacks instead of these dim greys. I also would like to see a way to have ui elements + lines move ever so slightly every hour to help against burn-in.

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On 6/6/2021 at 11:49 AM, Kyle said:

I think with OLEDs on the way, dark interfaces should support blacker blacks instead of these dim greys. I also would like to see a way to have ui elements + lines move ever so slightly every hour to help against burn-in.

OLEDs are not the future of PC monitors though, Micro LED is. OLED is already on its way out on the top-end because of the low lifespan of the organic elements.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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On 6/10/2021 at 6:14 AM, BTGBullseye said:

OLEDs are not the future of PC monitors though, Micro LED is. OLED is already on its way out on the top-end because of the low lifespan of the organic elements.

I disagree with that, but let's call that off topic for now. Either way bleed-over into blacks is no longer an issue with good displays, so black/dark interfaces are going to become more common.

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On 6/11/2021 at 3:46 PM, Kyle said:

I disagree with that

Disagree all you want, but that is the fact of the technology as it is progressing today. There is never going to be wide adoption of OLED for standard PC screens due to burn-in issues, but micro LED will last about 10x longer before burn-in. (I'm saying this as someone that has been dealing with this stuff for over 20 years)

On 6/11/2021 at 3:46 PM, Kyle said:

Either way bleed-over into blacks is no longer an issue with good displays, so black/dark interfaces are going to become more common.

They've been popular since before Windows ever existed... Only websites and Apple thought "eye-searing white on white" was a good color scheme.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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Hi Ross,

I've recently bumped into a bunch of great app that can help boost up your quest to live better with Windows, esp. Windows 10


- powertoy: give you a few tools in 1 app
  + fancyzone: predefined screen area for snapping
  + run: a search tool similar to Spotlight in MacOS
  + shortcut guide: no need to remember, just need to hold Win key for a moment, help you in shortcut hell
  + power rename: bulk rename

 

- files: a Windows app from MS Store, work dual pane, tabbed instance, exclusive to Windows 10 of course

- winDynamicDesktop: change desktop background with day/night effect

 

- startEverywhere: anywhere Start menu, similar to liteStep, less first-time setup

 

- taskbarGroup: taskbar shortcut grouping, similar to liteStep, a bit tedious setup for me

I saw your video when it was out and you've got me into the quest since. I am still working on the corner-click app start, maybe edge-click app start (it should give us 8 favorite apps in total)

 

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A question about the system tray icon: how do you hide it away? Is it with liteStep or nexusDock?

 

I saw the Ultimate option from nexusDock for $20 or something but don't know if we have alternatives.

 

Personally I want to know background processes, but when I get 16-20 icons, it becomes overwhelming and I cannot decide if I can live without them. It would be nice to hide/open it like yours.

 

Screenshot: the powertoy Run and startEverywhere

 

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In the last video chat Ross said that he is interested in seeing if WSL2/WSLg (WSL from now on) can somehow be used to replace Windows shell with some Linux DE. So that he would have some Windows-Linux hybrid.

It probably isn't possible to use  WSL as a full shell replacement like with other Windows shell alternatives. But from what I see, it is possible to run and display some DE as it's own application, so visually it's similar to virtual machine or remote desktop.
As far as I know, WSL does allow running Windows programs from within the Linux environment. Not exactly sure how that is done and what kind of programs can be started. But it is there, and that makes WSL be much more fitting for creation of Windows-Linux hybrid than it would be say Linux running in VirtualBox using "seamless mode".

 

Even if it is possible to get some desktop environment running well, there is still an issue of getting Windows shell out of the way, making it use absolutely minimum amount of resources, and re-implement the functionality in WSL desktop environment.
There are many people with low-spec machines, so someone probably already stripped Windows 10 shell down to bare minimum, but there probably aren't many people who made WSL understand the full capabilities of the Windows host. Things like having XDG-Open point to Windows programs for relevant files and URLs, having shortcuts in Linux guest that open host's Control Panel or other settings, etc.

 

I think that this idea of Windows-Linux hybrid is interesting, and should be explored further.

Few relevant links that I found when doing a quick search about this topic:
https://github.com/NathanCastle/BootShellCredentialProvider (looks outdated and abandoned)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuERIEJJUA

https://github.com/microsoft/wslg
https://sourceforge.net/projects/vcxsrv/

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I know I am super late but I can help with a thing!
The copy past thing where it does not copy the text you have market? Not actually the GUI's fault. It is programs wanting to stop you copying their text, and so they do not create text objects, but basically makes super special versions so that copy paste does not know what it is holding, and thus cannot copy it. This is ALWAYS done on purpose because text is, like, the easiest to work with in programming.

It... more or less cannot be fixed, BUT I now use "Capture2Text" which gives me a shortcut to press, then mark the text in a drag box, and it uses the picture to generate the text. That works ALWAYS(although sometimes gets the text a little bit wrong). No matter what, and they cannot stop me!

The text is proprietary objects? Does not stop me
The text is not selectable? Does not stop me
The text is just a picture? SCREW YOU! DOES NOT STOP ME!

It is also a super lightweight program and works with nearly no delay(Which is my big GUI fetish... I hate all the bloat GUI's have these days. When I open a program or change a window I want it done NOW! Not 0.5 seconds from now. NOW!) and it leaves you alone when not using it.

http://capture2text.sourceforge.net/
 

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Hi all! I didn't have the time to read all 16 pages but I did see at least one person mentioned dwm. Just like Ross, I've been trying to better and optimize the GUI I use, up until I tried dwm. At that point I reached peak GUI and haven't really been trying since.

 

Or more exactly, I reached the peak of the OS GUI shell. More on that later. Dwm is presented to me as a thin strip at the top of the screen leaving almost the entire screen for the application I am working in. By default, the application gets the entire screen so you don't ever have to think about sizing your windows (but this can be toggled in case you need sizeable windows). It allocates a number of virtual screens and then I logically distribute my work on these screens. For example, screen 5 is email, screen 3 is the web browser, screen 4 is music & small things. To switch from screen to screen, I do "windows button + the number of the screen". I can do this with a single hand, so I don't have to release the mouse (I'm right-handed). The switches are instantaneous and I can immediately start to work.

 

To run programs, you use dmenu. It activates when you press "windows button + r" and it displays you in the top of the screen a simple list of programs you can run. Then you just go left-right until you have the one you want (you can also start typing and it will narrow the list), press enter and the program starts.

 

However I have a confession to make. To be efficient, the list of programs you can fit in dmenu is really short. In addition, this scheme only works as an application launcher. So, to enable me to do the rest, I use a command line terminal. A very long time ago I used to have a GUI file manager, but I got rid of it. This was almost certainly a bad idea because the state of my files has been degenerating ever since then. These days most of my files are strung all over the place and I probably don't need half of them.

So at the very least, you would want to augment the thing I described with a GUI file manager. I used Thunar back in the day (circa 2009).

Now, I did previously mention the OS GUI shell. In his video, Ross talked about that but he didn't really talk about the thing where GUI really does get used: application programs. Perhaps they could be made better by forcing (?) or allowing the application to use a GUI framework given by the OS so the OS could intelligently customize the applications GUI components. I'm shooting in the dark, application GUIs are hard. And then there are the web pages. :O

I added two screenshots from way back in the day. I'm kind of flexing in one of them, sorry about that. xD

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Fly-Pie is a Gnome extension that is very similar to what Ross mentioned in the video. The Distrotube youtube channel has a video about it:

 

Here is the github page:

https://github.com/Schneegans/Fly-Pie

 

Note: It's only compatible with Gnome version 40 or higher and since it's a Gnome extension it means that you have to use Gnome to use it.

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I get the feeling that a lot of you think that the UI you want would need less explaining, but would actually need WAY more.

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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Has anyone ever heard of...... a zui (zoom user interface)? This blew my mind!

 

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