ThePest179

When was the first time? 2013?

2033, in the Metro... It's in Russia.

Do'h! missed the Metro reference.

2044

It's all about likelihoods... You are less likely to contract a fatal form of a disease if you're vaccinated, but it isn't guaranteed. That's all. You're not guaranteed to contract a fatal form of any disease simply because you didn't get vaccinated, just more likely. Blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of diseases is like blaming people that don't use turn signals for all forms of car crashes.

 

Vaccination isn't a cure, or a guaranteed preventative, it is merely introducing a severely weakened or dead form of the virus, and hoping the immune system uses it to become more resistant or immune to that particular strain of the virus.

Less likely? you mean somewhere close to 90% less likely?

And culture DO make a SIGNIFICANT difference. Corruption for other cultures can mean more or less, and can be easier or harder to remove with peaceful means. We don't know exactly how far the corruption has gone here, but we do know it has taken over most of the federal government, and that similar corruption in the past required either bloodshed, or the threat of overwhelming force to remove. (and peaceful demonstrations have never done a damn thing to corruption)

No evidence, huh? I still call Ad hoc.

Note: I don't dispute the severity or existence of the corruption. I doubt the significant difference in culture affecting corruption and the use of violence to disperse it.

And you're expecting what? A them to have identical problems so we can compare?

I'm pretty sure this discussion was about how cultural differences doesn't matter to a great extant within this context (peaceful removal of dictatorial/corrupt government structures).

It isn't happening ONLY in the non-immunized areas...

Non fatal versions? Yes, the disease spreads in vaccinated crowds, but only non fatally. In anti Vaccination circles, the disease is killing people. The virus is also more likely to infect non vaccinated people, being weaker to the disease.

Food for one... They put mayo on everything, and consider you nuts if you don't want it. (not joking, it is on/in EVERY FOOD ITEM)

 

Hockey there can cause massive riots over almost nothing. (it's actually easier to cause a riot there because of hockey than it is here for anything)

 

I can do more, but I won't. It's hubris to think that you know about a culture because the country looks similar on the surface to your own.

Mayo and hockey? You're using Ad hoc on overdrive now.

I'm still a gamer. I don't play as often as I want to, though.

Has anyone here beaten Super Mario Bros? The original, NES version?

2034 - Switzerland ceases to be environment friendly, and phases out the last of it's nuclear power plants. Also, mutated beings invade our tunnels for a second time.

When was the first time? 2013?

2036

Let's use Canada. How different is the culture there (and I mean English Canada)?

Very different. Seriously, it looks similar on the surface, but it's massively different at it's core.

How? Canada doesn't really seem that different. Please use examples/proof.

The reality is that viruses mutate, and that many organizations and governments are experimenting with directed viral mutations for use as a weapon that could be used without being blamed. It is possible that it is a test release from someone, or even a naturally occurring mutation of the same disease, you can't tell me you know for sure.

True, viruses mutate. True, many organizations have made viruses into weapons. However, you have no proof that this was an accidental or purposeful release of a modified virus, and the statement that this could be a natural mutation is underscored by two points: first, you would have to put your views for evolution, as the mutation of a disease is verifiable evidence for it (virus X evolved so it wouldn't die off), second, these new virus outbreaks have occurred primarily in the anti-vaxer crowd, not people who got the vaccine. Also, if it was a bio weapon, then wouldn't it be able to "workaround" the vaccinated crowd, considering that most first world countries (and a few third world ones, too) have mandatory vaccines?

And you're doing even worse... You're saying that culture makes absolutely no difference. Arguing that end is moronic, ask anyone that has seen what different cultures are, and how differently they react to the same events.

Before I can tackle that answer, we must ask, difference in what, exactly? Political, social, and/or economic change? If you claim, that this is all affected by culture, then you would be right, but only to an extent. If you were to argue, that major changes cannot be accomplished peacefully because of culture, and only culture, you're bullshiting. Let's use Canada. How different is the culture there (and I mean English Canada)? They got what needed to be done peacefully.

If you can't see that everything in this thread is political, and politics is money, then you are blind.

Fucking hell, where to begin? Where is the evidence that everything in this thread has to do with politics? Corruption doesn't care how far left or right you are when it comes, so you're just whistling in the dark. Politics is not just money. Politics is also power, and anyone (and I mean everyone from the Democrats, to the GOP, tea party, Occupy Wall street, fucking anything and everything) no matter what is said, which affiliation, what is done, is easily prone to corruption and greed, and frankly, if you can't see that, you're just another political preacher trying to make his respective ideology seem like it was handed to him by God/aliens/the fourth dimension/the Earth itself/Cthulu.

This was a real post?!?! I thought it was a spam or something! Dude, how long were you looking around the internet for someone to talk about your game?

And I still don't see anything in there that would be something to debate. If you're wondering about the placebo stuff, I'm immune to that particular effect. If you're going to go on the subject of mutations, evolution, and nonsense... I'm not going to discuss that here. That's for another thread entirely.

Well, if you can't see anything to debate (even though he basically said your "proof" doesn't work as it is only one data point and unverifiable) then

I won't go on about that, but if you do have a faster acting immune system, that would dictate that over time such an immune system would be created to fulfill the need to fight disease. Although we can discuss that more in another thread of your choosing.

The problem isn't inside the corporations, it's inside the government. Just because the corporations are most of what's corrupting the government, doesn't change that the government is the part that is corrupted.

 

In China, getting good grades is more important than anything else that you can do before adulthood... Propagandize someone during that time for maximum effect. In the USA, that particular tactic won't work nearly as well since we don't put as much emphasis on pre-adult education. In the USA the time that you get hit with the propaganda is during college. (when most are looking to find their life-long friends, and political affiliations)

You confirm to me that you are playing politics. This isn't a political discussion. Make another thread for politics.

Culture changes everything... If you can't see that, then you're either blind to the differences, or you're intentionally trying to start an argument instead of a debate. (there is a massive difference between a debate and an argument)

And you can prove this with 100% certainty? You're just dismissing my argument because you don't like what you hear. You're using an Ad hoc to discredit me now.

Thus proving my point.

Your point being that you want me to come up with something to debate?

Thus proving you don't want to argue against a point you can't counter. Let me repost what Doom had said:

I have the paperwork that showed what was in my blood... Why do people insist that everyone is the same as the normal, and can't possibly have a faster acting immune system?

 

One data point (that at present is unverifiable) has never, and will never constitute evidence. If your education in science progressed beyond the most elementary possible points, you should know that already.

 

Yeah, you might have a super immune system. On the other hand, you could ALSO be super susceptible to the placebo effect.

 

Of course, if you have a super immune system, that means that beneficial mutations exist and you have to throw all your weight behind evolution now.

Different cultures... Methods that work for them likely won't work for us. (and vice versa)

 

If we can get over 60% of the country willing to stand up and not be fooled by the political doubletalk, then we'd be the first in history... That's what it's going to take to do anything against this level of corruption. (it's everywhere, white house, senate, house, IRS, etc)

And now you simply dismiss my argument on the basis "it's a different culture" without any evidence to that claim! (to specify: I'm not saying that they're all the same culture, I'm saying that you're invalidating my opinion because of the differences)

Also, when you're talking about "political doubletalk", instead of mentioning anything about the corporations (which we've established is the reason for the corruption) it gives off the impression that you're trying to fulfill a political agenda instead of helping solve the problems the country faces.

If you can show me a way that it can be done in THIS country, in THIS CENTURY, then I'll consider the possibilities... Otherwise, I see no correlation between the USSR breakup and the current situation.

Ah, now you're employing a double standard, where I must prove that my method will work "in this century and country" when yours is still unproven on the same criteria. Now you must attempt to prove your method, while I try to prove mine.

The strategy for a peaceful resolution to happen is simple, although admittedly difficult: we (as in, this website and others) raise awareness on the present corruption over time, it doesn't have to be all at once, it can be gradually. Over this period of time, we become a large force that can challenge these corporations. Eventually, we stand up to these corporations once we have enough strength, being as peaceful as we can about it.

Also, the breakup of the USSR was only one example. Remember earlier in the thread, where @Doom Shepard mentioned both India and Canada as peaceful examples?

Thus proving my point.

The problem is that BTG didn't even try to acknowledge the possibility of a peaceful solution, so yeah, he gave off the impression of a warmongering revolutionary.

I said I didn't see any way for this to be done peacefully... Not that it definitely couldn't, and I even asked for ways that it could be done. (I refuted the only ones presented, since they had all been attempted before)

I still stand by my allegory of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc, although you're denying it for whatever reason.

That's why the argument started, and why I posted the exact reasons why I didn't make a copy for everyone on the internet to see.

 

Which you STILL have not provided.

 

Oh my god who cares about some stupid paperwork that's not the point... where's the emote with the guy smashing his head into a brick wall?

Not like he was going to debate Doom Shepard anyway...

Fucking hate the flu. Puked up my guts all morning, got a headache. Missed schoolwork. DICKS!!!

That's why the argument started, and why I posted the exact reasons why I didn't make a copy for everyone on the internet to see.

Which you STILL have not provided.

I'm just waiting for the next civil war...

I'm not sure we would have a civil war so much as some sort of revolution. If it was a civil war, who would the sides be?

The right wing vs. the left wing.

A lot of you guys seem to be ganging up on BTGBullseye, but I totally understand his perspective on the revolution part. I don't think his message is "violence will solve this" which is what people seem to be attacking him. To be clear, widespread violence is nothing to welcome at all, but the question to be asking is "What's the alternative?" We both feel the legal system can not remedy this, it's too far gone. I think massive cooperation among people to fix this is impossible, we're too divided and brainwashed as a nation. I personally think a radical solution might be possible with no bloodshed, but they're all shots in the dark and likely pipe dreams. This quote of his says it all guys:

Doing nothing will definitely make it worse, doing something might make it better or worse, but at least it has a CHANCE of making things better.

I think you guys view him as a warmonger and he probably views many of your opinions as pie-in-the-sky thinking. I think it's just a matter of a logical conclusion based on the assumed truths. Again, what would be the alternative to fix our society in its current state?

The problem is that BTG didn't even try to acknowledge the possibility of a peaceful solution, so yeah, he gave off the impression of a warmongering revolutionary. And while I might be considered optimist, I still think with enough cooperation and peaceful demonstrations, we'll solve this.

That everyone is exactly the same, and can't possibly have different rates of fighting off an illness. (something NOT supported by science, or medical evidence)

You are a blatant liar, as I had insisted upon no such thing. All I did was dispute the validity of the disease you had, if you even had it at all.