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Alcohol doesn't affect me in that way, and costs way too much money for me to consume the amounts necessary to do that on a daily basis...

I meant for your dad, dummy. How does it work on him?

Why did you forget to post a question?

What am I "lying" about exactly? Your intentional misinterpretation of an obvious statement, or your unfounded assupmtion that I don't know as much about metallurgy and metal work as I do?

No, your pathetic attempt to pretend you hadn't said what you just did. You said, VERY PLAINLY, to solder or tig weld the pliers shut. You said that in no uncertain terms, then you lied straight to my face trying to claim you didn't.

There are pliers specifically designed for the work you're doing, and they won't scratch or mar the wire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round-nose_pliers

That's just one among many.

Except, of course, even if you can manage avoiding scratching the wire, the very fact that they grip the wire means stopping to readjust frequently. Whereas I can just keep winding at full speed with my current method without having to readjust constantly. I can wrap all the way down the dowel rod in a matter of minutes, but if I used your method I'd have to stop every couple seconds to move the pliers. Or did you forget the wire is moving?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardened_steel

Second sentence of the second paragraph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annealing_%28metallurgy%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_%28metallurgy%29

 

There are a lot more, I could even start scanning in my metallurgy books if you need more proof. (if I can find where my parents hid them)

Sounds like somebody doesn't know how hardening works. Or argumentation, because you think that relative terms like "very high temperature" can be used as support. (You can also say it takes a "very high temperature" to soften the metal in the first place.) Hardening a material always makes it less flexible, which is what brittleness IS in case you didn't know. That's the reason we don't harden most metal and when we do harden metal we don't harden it as much as we can. This metal is already quite hard, making it any harder would be purely detrimental.

Not to mention annealing works by slowly and evenly heating and then slowly and evenly cooling the metal so as to not stress it, and of course all this without stressing it before it cools as stressing it, especially while it's hot, will harden it instead of softening it. Wrapping the wire means bending it, that will harden it. Hardening it is a bad thing here, the metal is hard enough already.

And that's ignoring how fast a wire this size cools, which means I'd have a hard, inflexible wire by the time I got to cutting it, which makes cutting even harder, and it'd be even harder afterwards to bend the links closed once I'm actually making them into armour without breaking them. Which is hard enough, thanks.

Why would I follow your example?

You just failed the Turing test.

You're assuming things that are untrue as fact... Unless you have proof that the vast majority of metallurgical science is in fact false, please refrain from claiming to be smarter than several people who have decades of experience professionally working the same metal as you admittedly just started messing with as a hobby.

Except I'm NOT dealing with anybody who knows what they're talking about, or who has any proffessional experience, I'm dealing with a complete and utter fucking moron, who has repeatedly proved himself a complete and other fucking moron with every word he has ever said, who is so dumb he can't figure out that blatantly lying about something he just said when there's a text record of it is a bad idea, who thinks that breaking out welding equipment is a good idea in a casual hobby even though it's presently being done (as I've said now) in front of a wooden desk, doesn't understand how metal hardening works and thinks claiming to know a guy who does this as a hobby qualifies him as some sort of expert on the subject.

You are the single dumbest person I have ever met in my life who didn't have some form of brain damage to give them an excuse, although if you did have brain damage that would not surprise me at this point, and I have no sympathy for stupid people, especially not those as stupid as you. If there's anything I am certain of, it's that not only am I smarter than you, but so is everybody else reading this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanization#Eventual_corrosion

It still rusts, and since it's being designed as an "armor" is likely to encounter sweat on a frequent basis while wearing. (thereby accelerating the process) It is a good start however.

The zinc coating is enough. I'm already spending money on the metal, and I'm not spending more money to make the chainmail I'm making as a hobby more resistant to corrosion when I live in an area cold enough (corrosion happens slower at a lower temperature, and I'm not exactly sweating where I live either) to make it a waste of time.

There are clear enamel spray paints that would work well for a long-term solution, though you might want to try conditioning the metal instead. Conditioning involves applying a liberal coat of veggie oil to the metal, and putting it in an oven at 350 degrees for an hour or so, then wiping the excess oil off with a cloth. (same thing as seasoning, usually applied to cast iron cookware, but is useful for a number of different metals)

Pretty sure the painted metal rings will start off stuck together, making them stiff. That'll change, sure, but it'll change by breaking off the paint sticking them together, the same you're trying to protect the already protected metal with, and leaving spots uncovered. The spray paint, or vegetable oil residue for your other idea, will also corrode much faster than the zinc coating the steel so this would have to be repeated frequently, especially for the vegetable oil. Regularly heating the metal up and cooling it down would be bad for the metal, but spraying it with enamel paint and leaving it stuck together is an even less attractive idea given that I intend to actually wear the chainmail and it being stiff due to stuck links on a regular basis would make that extremely uncomfortable. And also, it takes years for zinc coatings to corrode. I'm not concerned with its condition in a couple years and if anything replacing it means getting to continue this hobby.

YOU did. If I may quote:

 

Try using needle-nose pliers next time... And solder them shut with lead-free solder. (or TiG weld them shut)

I can see how you might misinterpret that post, but only if you have never spoken to someone in real life, and had not taken the post in-context. (context is everything when determining meaning in a conversation or story) Quit trying to violate the "don't be a dick" rule using intentional misinterpretation.

And you're violating the "don't be a dick" rule by lying straight to my face.

The pliers would allow a better grip on the metal, and wouldn't require you to apply your thumb at all.

And would also make it impossible to guide the wire properly at the speed I'm presently doing it, since sliding the pliers down the metal is slow and difficult to do while maintaining a grip. Not to mention it'll scratch and mark the wire so it won't lay flat on the dowel and will end up misshapen.

As for the "making it brittle" and "compromising it by heating it" part, it would have to be heated to near melting point and then rapidly cooled for it to become brittle instead of just hardened. (even hardened steel will bend like crazy, but it's a lot harder to bend) Unless you plan on welding and then dunking in water while it's still bright red, you can't use that as an excuse. (soldering won't even come close to the temperatures needed to do that)

Wrong. And heating hot enough to cause a reduction in strength, in order to make it easier to bend, WILL make it weaker and less ductile when it cools. Sure, it gets harder as well, but hardness isn't as important as strength and ductility combined. And you're back to the idiotic solder idea again.

I would never have suggested gloves for that kind of work, only tools.

Well good, you're choosing not to make one dumb suggestion so you can make an even dumber one.

Finally, why are you getting so pissed at suggestions that are made by a welder, and an armorer? (a friend of mine that does blacksmithing, and has tested various types and manufacturing methods of chainmail/scalemail against everything from bullets to knives and arrows)

Because I'm actually just getting mildly miffed at an internet moron who claims to have experience his idiotic suggestions prove he does not have.

Grats. What gauge of wire are you using, and what ductility? Also, are you coating the finished rings with anything to prevent rust?

14-gauge galvanised steel. And galvanised steel doesn't rust, at least not anywhere it isn't scratched or cut.

I'mma have to defer to Vex's advice on this one. It seems applicable.

Is there any way to get a toddler to stay in one place? Because I've delt with plenty and don't think there is.

Let's answer your question with another question.

Why do people fail to examine any religion they do follow, and actively refuse to see why other people hate it, even when it's explained to them in detail with citations and references from their own holy book, because many of these people actually understand that religion and that's why they hate it?

You know, I had that explained to me once. By this guy I know. His name was Professor Shitsherlock, first name No.

Banned for caring whether it's intentional or not. Just playing games here, guys.

Convince you to grow kudzu in your yard.

What would you do if you were given the chance, one time only and you can't wait, to go back to the start of your life with all your present knowledge?

Granted. Now you can never sit still.

I wish toddlers would stop chasing me. (She doesn't get it. She can't follow me everywhere. And saying her aunt Kari followed me there once doesn't make it any better!)

COFFEE!

Coffee flavoured coffee, or not-coffee flavoured coffee?

No. Remember when we were being actively spied on by the government and didn't know it?

I'd take it! When I was about to die. Any life is better than no life, and if I'm about to die I'm about to lose my body anyway, you know?

If you had the power to EITHER fix the impending collapse of the world economy, OR to prevent world war three, but not both?

Has a better avatar now. (I'm not a brony, at all, but I don't mind it and I prefer anything to gif avatars with flashing lights.)

Granted. Now they do it while you're around.

I wish I had an infinite supply the old Costco gourmet coffee they don't make anymore.

(Well weed is better for you than tobacco, although there's not much that isn't, and you can forgo any part of it. It's a scene. Where would you rather be?)

Blackberry. Fuck that tile shit.

Obliterating pennies, or making cheaper nickels?

Nope. Wasn't in my lifetime.

Remember when nickels weren't also a drain on the economy?

Banned for thinking that was intentional this time.

(Nice.)

Hate to break it to you buddy, but the priests are lying to you to get money and power.

Why can't Americans understand that violence is worse than sex, and if you're going to idiotically engage in censorship and still only censor one of them it should be violence?

(I have been thinking this SO much today.)

Carpentry + Electrical, as the two skills can both be done in the same workplace environment with much greater frequency. (It's the greater frequency that's important. Every house needs electrical wiring, not every car needs a human welder.)

Cigarettes and coffee with the underbelly, or weed and tabletops with aspiring game designers?

3. Because it's the one number Gaben can't read.

Banned for using a terse ban reason.

Loony.

Nope, because it never was. (Seriously. Not a single goddamned one of the founding fathers were Christian. They were mostly deists, with one noted atheist and two agnostics.)

Remember when people did their research on history before talking about it?

Learn summoning magic.

How to convince my girlfriend's two year old niece that she doesn't need to be cuddled at every second and I need to periodically go places she can't follow me?