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    General American Politics Thread

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    On 10/25/2020 at 3:10 PM, Annie said:

    Wow, that's a new one, saying the federal government and by extension the Trump administration are powerless to prevent disaster of this scale. That's... almost complete nonsense, actually. I'm curious about how you came to that conclusion in the first place. Show me your sources.

    Calling it now: Conservative opinion piece on why a federal mask mandate would be unconstitutional.

    Collectivism and individualism are some of my favorite buzzwords, they're great at outing people as political illiterates. Not to say collectivism and individualism have no conceptual meaning, but god, "collectivist insect colonies"? Why have any nuanced understanding of complex economic and political dichotomies when you can just boil them down to extremely broad and vague terms that aren't even mutually exclusive to begin with?

     

    Actually, there's a pretty common criticism of this exact line of thinking you might hear from socialists, if you ever take the time to hear one out:

    The notion of socialism being a perfectly collectivist concept and capitalism being a perfectly individualist concept doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Take our late capitalist hellscape we're living in now for example. I don't know what your economic status is but I'm quite poor, not eligible for welfare despite being a bona fide head case, and my options for higher education are basically next to none. The system for someone like me is purely coercive, I work or I die, simple as. This simple fact means I don't get to enjoy the same personal liberties as an individual who makes $5k a year more than me, and that individual doesn't enjoy the same liberties as someone who makes $5k per year more than them, and so on. The poorer you are, the greater sacrifice you have to make to your personal individual autonomy to survive, and that arguably isn't very individualistic. That said, while I may be envious of that guy who makes 5k a year more than I do, we're all envious of that greedy asshole who sits at the very top, and that's what collectivism is for. When collectivist structures are introduced, they help level the playing field so more people can enjoy more individual liberty. Unions are a great example of this.

     

    If you have the time, there's this great horror movie called "The Platform". It's a critique of capitalism and how economic class divides and alienates people and destroys lives.

     

    TL;DR you can't be independent if your autonomy is infringed upon, and you can't prevent others from infringing upon your individual autonomy if you aren't part of a collective

    You know what, I think we are living in two different worlds. Each of us is a product of our environment, and if I was in your shoes I probably would have the same outlook.  But I'm going to fight for my world, and you can right for yours. 

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    1 hour ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

    And Interstellar is a Science Fiction movie. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate. Some things may be inaccurate, some things may be exaggerated, some things may be wrong. It still doesn't change the fact that it's regarded, even by multiple scientists and astronauts, to be one of the most realistic space movies. I'm sorry they didn't get your boyfriend Bill Nye, but they still had other scientists, like Kip Thorne to help with the movie.

    There hasn't been a good science fiction movie since Dark City Director's Cut

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    8 hours ago, Psychotic Ninja said:

    Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know Billy Nye was the only credible Scientist in the world. He did it all. He invented gravity, physics, black holes, wormholes, mass, energy, everything. It's all him. We wouldn't have science without Bill Nye. Nope, no science at all. All hail Bill Nye.

    Inertia is a property of matter 

    General American Politics Thread

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    4 hours ago, kerdios said:

    that's a very bland response and also do you consider S.korea and japan communists?

    No, they are collectivist, not a political system but a different frame of mind altogether. Americans are enterprising individualists, who are also spiteful and contradictory. We aren't keen on being told what to do by public authority figures, and those figures don't want to commit political suicide.

    General American Politics Thread

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    23 hours ago, kerdios said:

    I guess they did that in order to improve their chances of conservatives actually opening the video rather than just see an accurate title and saying no way in hell I'm watching that. Though I agree it's pretty slimy behavior, seeing a video titled "why Biden will win" that then goes on to regale his alleged corruption and the other false spins on his policies would also have been very bad form.

    Still I think it's important to address the issues brought up in this video like the fact/claim that above the board countries such as S. Korea and Japan were (and are) able to avoid both the brunt of an economic crisis and a high mortality rate while the US has such an extreme mortality rate and an economic crisis.

    Because each state relegates its own response to the virus, and some Asian countries are collectivist insect colonies.

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