Charlie Kirk

[BTGBullseye]

@kerdios The DEI video I fully agree with, and I disagree with the idea that Israel has anything whatsoever to do with this.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViGZUq23vzA

This is a video voicing what a LOT of people are thinking about this now.

[Deep Dive Devin]

"A LOT of people" probably shouldn't be getting their information from stalkers who spend too much time jerking off to anime children to know anything about what they're talking about.

 

That said, of course Israel had nothing to do with this. Kirk's antisemitism and justification of mass-murder are extremely useful to them.

Edited September 21 by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[BTGBullseye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g8iuYTDpN0

[Deep Dive Devin]

Another guy who loves murder, just like you.

Edited September 21 by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[BTGBullseye]

I see you are one of those people... Context is antithetical to your existence. You are either intentionally hateful, or just incapable of thinking beyond your extremist political bubble.

 

100m people watched the Charlie Kirk memorial service, with over 100k in personal attendance. Antifa just got officially classified as terrorists. Your political extremism is dying all over the planet, and that's why it's becoming so violent towards anyone that says there's any other way of existing. I would pity you, but never more than the minimum possible for you simply existing as a human, your political position and opinions are not worthy of any amount of respect whatsoever.

[Deep Dive Devin]

Bro you're cheering on murderers and child rapists. People like you made this murder happen! Where is the "context" supposed to help you? How many people going to have to die just to affirm your delusions? You are never going to be normal.

Edited September 23 by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[Lu]

Let's be clear about a couple of things, moderation wise: 

-Nobody's opinion is more important than another person's. 
-The forum allows for discussion of sensitive and controversial topics to the point where there's coherent exchange of ideas and an exclusion from personal insults. 

Telling someone that they are never going to be normal has an intent to discriminate that is a personal insult so let's refrain from that. 

Now, on topic: 

It's a tragedy that anyone is executed in public, in broad daylight by some vigilante. 

That doesn't take away from the fact that Kirk was an ultraconservative neo fascist who promoted violence, militarization, islamophobia, sionism, racism, the anti migrant agenda, the far right, white supremacism and hate. 


What is really interesting to me is that Charlie had begun to be critical of Israel in public media right before this happened. And Trump and Bibi posted on X about it within a minute of each other isn't a great look either lol. 

 

[Deep Dive Devin]

To clarify: When I say "normal", I'm not calling BTGbullseye a weirdo freak just for the fun of it. The attempted normalization of extremist conservative rhetoric is what spurs on this violence, and despite all attempts to do so (and the coping rationalizations otherwise), it never has been and never truly will be popular in the public eye, because it's against the public good overall. I was mostly bringing this as a rebuttal to the idea that a fascist politician declaring antifascism a "terrorist group" is somehow evidence that being against fascism is no longer popular.

 

That said, I'll drop this since it largely doesn't matter. It was potshots against potshots since he's still trying to make this about the left, even though as we've seen, the right incites, celebrates, denies and commits violent acts such as this overwhelmingly more often.

 

I do think it's weird how Israel has inserted themselves into this situation, and I'd be remiss to say that the Trump admin wouldn't cause or allow the death of some racist dipshit to distract from other topics (hey, it got people talking about something other than the president being a child rapist, didn't it?), but I still resist the idea that there was any conspiratorial planning of this. It seemingly is white boy gang war shit, if Nick Fuentes's "oh shit that's one of my guys" reaction is anything to judge by, or else some "impress Jodie Foster" shit if those extremely-suspicious chatlogs the FBI threw out turn out to not be fake.

 

It is not unlike 9/11 or 10/7 (surprising rhyming skill on Hamas's part btw), where I don't believe the authoritarian imperialist governments planned anything out to happen, because they didn't need to. All they need to do is create an environment and status quo that is so toxic that violence and radicalization becomes inevitable. And since they like doing that anyway, whoop, now we have an excuse to invade the privacy of everyone in the US. Now we have an excuse to indiscriminately bomb Palestinian civilians. Now we have an excuse for mass-censorship of anyone who posts Chucky's own words because they make him look bad.

Edited Wednesday at 04:13 AM by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[BTGBullseye]

https://thefederalist.com/2025/09/20/the-study-youre-citing-about-right-wing-violence-is-full-of-fake-data/

 

The idea that the right does more violent acts is wrong, as the only study that has been cited is full of complete BS.

[Deep Dive Devin]

The idea that the right does more violent acts is completely correct, as the only attempts at dispelling multiple studies confirming this are right-wing babies crying that their violence does not count as violence (or as right-wing), and that violence they disagree with is automatically leftist. On the contrary, most studies are biased in favor of the right by treating religious terrorism as something other than conservative. Propaganda rags like this are not much of an argument in your favor.

Edited Wednesday at 06:01 AM by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[BTGBullseye]

You have provided no evidence to support that. I have provided evidence, FROM THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE STUDY, that supports my statements.

[Deep Dive Devin]

You have provided no such thing. You sent one article, and it's full of shit.

Not only is this garbage written like a fourteen year old libertarian who just discovered Sargon of Akkad videos, it cherrypicks a grand total of seven things out of a list of over five thousand, attempts to randomly assign leftist motivation to them, and still fucks that up too! If you believe this, you'll just as easily believe flat-earthers, creationists, geocentrists and dudes who think wiping your ass turns you gay. The fact that you say the prosecution project is "the only study", as if this has not been monitored for decades, should be fucking embarrassing to you (almost as much as this article pretending the entire thing was just done to cover up Chuckie's death, even though we've known this shit forever).

You want evidence, try looking at how many mass shooters cite these same dipshit podcasters in their manifestos. Check how often random users on this forum show up, talk mad shit and then make weird threats in the name of hating leftists! I know you've been here to see plenty of them. Check any possible source that isn't obviously pushing this same fucking insane narrative. This is page 1 of google shit, and you're here demanding I take this website full of defense for President Epstein seriously. I'm not going to do that.

 

EDIT: I didn't even notice before but it's blaming the Trump shooting attempts on the left too. Literally just pointing at anything you don't like and going "commulists!".

Edited Wednesday at 08:13 PM by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[Lu]

You know, 20th-century history is the clearest evidence that the right has way more violent tendencies than the left. 

Like sure, there's been regimes on both sides that have been very bloody. Same with supporters and political activists. 

But if you look at the social, political, and economic events that have shaped the world through violence, the right is more involved than the left in the violence. The world's economy and politics have been engineered for decades to benefit the right. 

I might be partial to think this because I come from Central America, and my continent and South America have been intervened by the US for corporate interests or to stop democratically elected leftist officials from assuming power, or a mix of those plus some other ones. 

And guess what happens next? The neo liberal agenda goes craaazy in those. 

Also, let's try to kick up respectfulness and assertiveness a notch if possible :)

 

[Deep Dive Devin]

The idea that violence serving capital is right-wing seldom crosses the minds even of most democrats. But yes, if I included that, there would be absolutely no questions whatsoever. I was already trying to play ball by ignoring the government's role entirely, which is another shoe-in win given that most western countries have never had leftist leadership (even if you count countries that call themselves communist but are arguably still bourgeoisie dictatorship where the workers do not own the means of production), so even if there was a secret loophole in leftist philosophy that made it more violent than conservatism, it'd still be radically unbalanced.

 

And of course, all this leaves out whether the goals of left vs. right violence are even equally worthy of pursuit at all. "The ends justify the means" is a terrible moral philosophy, but we shouldn't treat the idea of considering the ends at all as taboo either. If fascism or eugenics or a christian theocracy or whatever were achieved "nonviolently", they would still be extremely evil.

[BTGBullseye]

@Lu

 

Are you really trying to claim that all of Communism is a right-wing thing?!? Communism (which everyone has been calling left-wing for the past 100 years) has objectively caused more human fatalities than all other sources throughout all of history COMBINED.

Edited Saturday at 03:52 AM by BTGBullseye (see edit history)

[Deep Dive Devin]

Every source for the so-called "deaths by communism" is massively padded by things like "Nazi soldiers killed during World War 2" and "theoretical children evangelists assume would have been born if not for this shit we made up about commies". Their highest estimates are nothing compared to deaths by the poverty imposed by, say, neoliberal capitalism. It's just a conservative meme at this point.

Edited Saturday at 07:06 AM by Deep Dive Devin (see edit history)

[BTGBullseye]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

 

I don't see it padding anything with Nazi shit.

[Deep Dive Devin]

You also don't see it having "objectively caused more human fatalities than all other sources throughout all of history COMBINED". The article you're citing directly acknowledges your childish mindset toward this.

[Lu]

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Are you really trying to claim that all of Communism is a right-wing thing?!? Communism (which everyone has been calling left-wing for the past 100 years) has objectively caused more human fatalities than all other sources throughout all of history COMBINED.

No, I didn't claim that. 

You interpreted it like that. We obviously disagree on this. I didn't say communism hasn't caused fatalities. Ideologies and regimes that claimed to be communist or are cataloged as having slaughtered millions. Yeah. 

I said right-wing governments, of all kinds, most notably fascist, colonial, imperial, and apartheid regimes, are the ones that have caused the most fatalities in the last 100 years and maybe even more going back. 

[BTGBullseye]

@Lu

 

That is objectively untrue. Communist governments have massively more fatalities, and they are literally the definition of "left". If you think they're right, you need to look up the definition of left and right in the political context.