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Ross’s Game Dungeon: Follow-up Episode #3

The third Game Dungeon Follow-up! This ended up taking about as much time to make as I thought it would, though it’s a little deceptive, since I did an overkill amount and had to shelf a lot of what I was going to say for a future follow-up episode. I tried to limit it to what I thought most needed a response instead. More videos planned for this month, “Coming soon!”

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8 minutes ago, 1wsx10 said:

well, at leat we know the world is ending.

i hope not, i mean things will get bad but i enjoy my existence and i'm curious where humanity will go next

 

i would be pretty mad if i died or if was crippled for life to be honest

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58 minutes ago, RaTcHeT302 said:

i hope not, i mean things will get bad but i enjoy my existence and i'm curious where humanity will go next

 

i would be pretty mad if i died or if was crippled for life to be honest

 

it's more your grandkids or great grandkids who are going to suffer rather than you personally

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1 hour ago, kerdios said:

it's more your grandkids or great grandkids who are going to suffer rather than you personally

eh? so we should just, act like it's all fine and dandy then? nobody deserves to suffer, no matter what state the world is in, it's absurd, i just wish people cared more about our own existence but, people act like this perfectly fine, and i just feel kinda crazy

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3 hours ago, RaTcHeT302 said:

i enjoy my existence and i'm curious where humanity will go next

Consider yourself lucky then, because you live in the best time to be alive.

If you were born earlier, you wouldn't be able to enjoy the cornucopia of entertainment, pleasures, and comfort that the technological progress brought.

If you were born later, you'd be witnessing the miserable collapse of human civilization that right now is merely starting to manifest itself before our eyes.

Come the full moon, the bat flies whose boiling blood shall stem the tide.

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9 minutes ago, ScumCoder said:

Consider yourself lucky then, because you live in the best time to be alive.

If you were born earlier, you wouldn't be able to enjoy the cornucopia of entertainment, pleasures, and comfort that the technological progress brought.

If you were born later, you'd be witnessing the miserable collapse of human civilization that right now is merely starting to manifest itself before our eyes.

how would u know tho, maybe the future is fine and dandy, maybe all it took was a nuclear war or two, i mean if that's what it took, i wouldn't mind

 

i'd gladly BE in the future, after the nuclear warfare has gone through xD

i think i truly am unlucky, cuz i dont exist in the future, where everything is fine, i only get to live in the past, where everything is kinda crappy

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7 hours ago, RaTcHeT302 said:

how would u know tho, maybe the future is fine and dandy, maybe all it took was a nuclear war or two, i mean if that's what it took, i wouldn't mind

 

i'd gladly BE in the future, after the nuclear warfare has gone through xD

i think i truly am unlucky, cuz i dont exist in the future, where everything is fine, i only get to live in the past, where everything is kinda crappy

that depends on the scale of the nuclear war, I think most science says that a full blown war will leave the planet surface uninhabitable for 1000s if not 100,000s of years.

If it would be just a show of force and then everyone settles down, might leave the world viable for a few more years (like US nukes the iranian nuclear research facilty, russia nukes some US asset

Also  in response, India nukes some desert in pakistan/afganistan, Pakistan nukes some Indian backwater in response, Japan nukes backwater north korea, china nukes the cat island in response and then everybody settles down to peace talks after they demonstrated they are willing to use their arsenal). (not that i think this will be a good thing, just an example of a less severe scenario).
But we all know that the moment they will be used once they will be used again, so full blown war is still happening.
I refuse to believe that what they say about roaches is true, radiation would also kill their babies like it would kill my sperm.

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5 hours ago, kerdios said:

I refuse to believe that what they say about roaches is true, radiation would also kill their babies like it would kill my sperm.

They actually tested that on Mythbusters (as far as bugs being able to survive radiation) and a couple species were pretty damn resistant to some strong radiation (I unfortunately don't remember the specifics of the episode; I think actually some form of beetle actually did better than the rest). I'll admit though, their ability to reproduce was outside the scope of their experiment. I'll have to find and watch that episode again sometime.

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10 hours ago, kerdios said:

that depends on the scale of the nuclear war, I think most science says that a full blown war will leave the planet surface uninhabitable for 1000s if not 100,000s of years.

Those estimates are for taking every part of the planet back to background radiation levels only... We don't even have that now, and we've never had a nuclear war. Most scientific estimates that are worth a damn, and have realistic expectations, say that there will be significant areas of the planet left habitable, and restoring ~90% of affected landmass is likely in under 500 years. (this is partly based on real life radiation cleanup results, like with Chernobyl)

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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i love how i somehow managed to derail this whole thread, from a videogame, to the right to repair, up to NUCLEAR WARFARE

 

MY BRAIN IS WIERD

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ooh wait, i forgot, i didn't derail anything, the earth being screwed up WAS a topic in the video

 

oops, i have a bad memory lol (i still thought it was kinda funny though)

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48 minutes ago, BTGBullseye said:

Those estimates are for taking every part of the planet back to background radiation levels only... We don't even have that now, and we've never had a nuclear war. Most scientific estimates that are worth a damn, and have realistic expectations, say that there will be significant areas of the planet left habitable, and restoring ~90% of affected landmass is likely in under 500 years. (this is partly based on real life radiation cleanup results, like with Chernobyl)

Isn't that partly because they had where to bring clean soil to bury the radioactive soil under? in a full scale nuclear war where would they bring the clean soil from? (chernobyl still clicks like crazy on a geiger counter)

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On 8/20/2020 at 3:59 AM, RaTcHeT302 said:

the fact that computers are getting smaller scares the crap out of me, i mean there's no way in hell for me to fix a motherboard, and hell, if my phone broke, it's dead, nobody is gonna waste their time to fix it, it's depressing

 

i feel like it should be a "right to make stuff easy to repair"

 

OK, but at what point are you just calling for a cap on the level of complexity that technology is allowed to have? You're all but saying that nothing more advanced than what was available in, roughly, the '90s should ever be allowed to be made.

 

And it puts me in mind of the stuff I've read about that infamous East German car, the Trabant. From what I've been able to glean, a lot of the tech behind it was pretty standard at the time it was first introduced (compared to other basic people-movers like the 2CV or the Fiat 500), and was simple enough that the average owner could indeed fix pretty much anything wrong with it with basic tools. And they had to, since it was hard enough to get ahold of in the first place, let alone replace, and the manufacturing quality was what you'd expect from a communist country where the workers had bulletproof job security. But what really hurt it was a refusal to evolve with the times. By 1989 it was still running on the same engine designed in the 1950s. Even by this point, it would have been illegal to sell new in the US due to environmental regulations, as the thing had no pollution control and burned a fifth as much motor oil as gasoline, by design.

 

Can the average person repair a catalytic converter by hand? Probably not. What about an electric drivetrain? A hydrogen fuel cell? Our ability to continue existing as a species hinges on having access to some pretty advanced tech that's beyond the scope of the average person's expertise. So you have to draw a line somewhere.

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19 minutes ago, Steve the Pocket said:

OK, but at what point are you just calling for a cap on the level of complexity that technology is allowed to have? You're all but saying that nothing more advanced than what was available in, roughly, the '90s should ever be allowed to be made.

 

And it puts me in mind of the stuff I've read about that infamous East German car, the Trabant. From what I've been able to glean, a lot of the tech behind it was pretty standard at the time it was first introduced (compared to other basic people-movers like the 2CV or the Fiat 500), and was simple enough that the average owner could indeed fix pretty much anything wrong with it with basic tools. And they had to, since it was hard enough to get ahold of in the first place, let alone replace, and the manufacturing quality was what you'd expect from a communist country where the workers had bulletproof job security. But what really hurt it was a refusal to evolve with the times. By 1989 it was still running on the same engine designed in the 1950s. Even by this point, it would have been illegal to sell new in the US due to environmental regulations, as the thing had no pollution control and burned a fifth as much motor oil as gasoline, by design.

 

Can the average person repair a catalytic converter by hand? Probably not. What about an electric drivetrain? A hydrogen fuel cell? Our ability to continue existing as a species hinges on having access to some pretty advanced tech that's beyond the scope of the average person's expertise. So you have to draw a line somewhere.

so we just, do nothing and we keep wasting resources pointlessly xD? just because it's difficult to implement?

oh no something takes effort, let's just give up and do nothing as usual instead, BLAH, i'm not buying it

 

idk i mean, i swear some dude tried to fix his Tesla, and the company told him to straight up just buy a whole new one and to throw away the old car, like even they didn't want to fix it - i don't feel like, technological advancements, should be an excuse for not making stuff easy to fix

 

most electronics are glued togheter in the first place, even if you have specialized tools, you still end up breaking like most of it anyway

 

look, people can create whatever technology they want, all i'm advocating for, is that, everything should be easy to dissasemble, everything should be heavily documented, and hell, schematics and blueprints should be released after a certain time period, if they just can't be bothered to make replacement parts by themselves, they COULD do this, they COULD give us the information, just do god damn anything

 

i'm not asking for humanity to just stall itself technologically, but our current approach is just retarded

 

yes, let me throw away a 100.000$ car, just to buy another 100.000$ car, only because some asshole can't be bothered to tap it with a multimeter once or twice and just fix the whole thing in a day or two

 

and i know that u guys will give me the, "but they can't just release the blueprints, cuz ppl would make money off of them" or "how will those POOR TRILLIONAIRES ever MAKE A PROFIT, oh no!"

 

well see, i don't care about that, i'm just saying what we SHOULD ideally do, and i'm basing my thoughts on what society i made up in mind, i don't care about money, it's nonsense anyway, remove the money argument, and all the reasons as to why we SHOULDN'T do these things are immediately invalidated

 

money should never be an argument, as to whenever we should do something good and positive, it's stupid, you could literally deconstruct every single argument with, "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MONEY" and to me that just removes the point of a discussion

 

it's not like we are actually changing the world here guys, this is all just a dream, it's just idealistic, this is nothing more than a wish, and i feel like our stupid society holds true progress back

 

money is stupid... i hate it...

 

if you can't fix it, fine, i don't give a damn, let us make it, i don't care, why shouldn't we be able to? it's nonsense, we should have the blueprints to literally everything - not having everything be public domain is true insanity, and again, no i don't care about the money argument, just... i don't, money is made up, it's stupid, who the hell cares

 

IT'S NOT A REAL THING WITH VALUE, IT'S JUST NUMBERS, BUAAHHH

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4 hours ago, kerdios said:

chernobyl still clicks like crazy on a geiger counter

In a couple years after the CNPP explosion the exclusion zone became a blooming nature reserve overflowing with wildlife. (Note that I’m not trying to play down the aftermath of a nuclear war, I’m just cleaning up the toxic waste that the HBO’s trash fantasy left in people’s heads).

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Come the full moon, the bat flies whose boiling blood shall stem the tide.

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Yeah, but those are wild animals with natural life expectancies of less than a decade. They could all be getting cancer and dying at age five and we'd never even know.

 

A better example, I think, would be Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Both started rebuilding within a decade of getting nuked, and both are thriving cities that are perfectly safe to live in today. And while a hydrogen bomb is likely to leave nothing but a massive crater its immediate wake, I've been told it leaves no more fallout behind than a WWII-class fission bomb—and even that's only because it actually contains a fission bomb used to trigger the fusion reaction.

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On 8/25/2020 at 8:07 AM, kerdios said:

Isn't that partly because they had where to bring clean soil to bury the radioactive soil under? in a full scale nuclear war where would they bring the clean soil from? (chernobyl still clicks like crazy on a geiger counter)

No. The radiation left behind really isn't as bad as the "documentaries" make it seem. While it might be dangerous for a couple decades, the rest of nature won't care, and humans can move back in after that time. If they drink a lot of alcohol regularly, they can move in sooner. (alcohol chelates radiation better than any anti-rad meds)

On 8/25/2020 at 12:56 PM, Steve the Pocket said:

Yeah, but those are wild animals with natural life expectancies of less than a decade. They could all be getting cancer and dying at age five and we'd never even know.

And it wouldn't matter anyways, because those aren't humans. We're talking about how much it takes for humans to be able to live there.

On 8/25/2020 at 12:56 PM, Steve the Pocket said:

A better example, I think, would be Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Both started rebuilding within a decade of getting nuked, and both are thriving cities that are perfectly safe to live in today.

That is an extremely apt example.

On 8/25/2020 at 12:56 PM, Steve the Pocket said:

And while a hydrogen bomb is likely to leave nothing but a massive crater its immediate wake, I've been told it leaves no more fallout behind than a WWII-class fission bomb—and even that's only because it actually contains a fission bomb used to trigger the fusion reaction.

More like, it leaves almost no radiation whatsoever, unless you add a tamper to boost the damage beyond the 50MT it already does. (see the Tsar Bomba for an excellent example)

Don't insult me. I have trained professionals to do that.

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7 hours ago, BTGBullseye said:

If they drink a lot of alcohol regularly, they can move in sooner. (alcohol chelates radiation better than any anti-rad meds)

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Come the full moon, the bat flies whose boiling blood shall stem the tide.

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i'm not a radiation expert, but i won't deny it, being shitfaced 24/7 would definitely motivate me to move into the irradiated wasteland far quicker lol

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Now I'm trying to remember if vodka in S.T.A.L.K.E.R lowered your radiation amount or not.

 

I will say, alcohol (specifically ethyl alcohol) works as an antidote for antifreeze poisoning though. We even had a bottle of it in the ER I worked in, ready to be administered via IV.

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