Sexuality.

[Alyxx Thorne]

I very much want to post rebuttals to some of this talk about homosexuality being 'natural', but the last time I posted my opinion on this, it started people on some very nasty responses...

Touchy subject.

 

I personally think all kinds of sex is natural. Just not all kinds are socially acceptable or morally ethical.

[Pinkie Pie]

Depends on how you view the word 'natural' really.

[Obsidian]

Sexuality is a choice, regardless of what people say. People, whether they'll admit it or not, retain a certain degree of free-will, with or without some biological leanings present. A gay person is free to choose to live a straight person lifestyle, date members of the opposite sex, etc. The same goes for straight people and everyone in between on the sexual spectrum. The issue that should be coming to light is whether or not those choices would make a person happy. Very few people, not including me, are capable of making a choice that goes against their gut reaction and learning to accept, like, and even come to embrace it as part of their self. The rest would be miserable living a lifestyle that went against what their gut tells them, but unfortunately most who are against homosexuality either don't believe this, care about it, or understand, if not all of the aforementioned.

 

Edit: I envy people who aren't exposed to Fox News at all... here's a recent panel they did on Asexuality http://video.foxnews.com/v/1797282177001/

[Alyxx Thorne]

Well, anyone living outside the US aren't exposed to Fox News so you envy all non-Americans? lol

 

Anyway, I guess you could say sexuality is a choice but it's one we are, for the most part, naturally prone to making at some point in our life.

[Vapymid]

Sexuality is a choice... Very few people ... are capable of making a choice that goes against their gut reaction and learning to accept, like, and even come to embrace it as part of their self...

 

What you say actually illustrates how sexuality is NOT a choice.

 

Doing something that goes against your instinctive feelings is a choice, yes, but it cannot change your instincts.

 

A strictly heterosexual man can override the instinctive disgust and have sex with another man using his will power (and perhaps imagining that he is doing it with a woman to keep his wedding tackle up) but it will not make him homosexual. I suspect, it is the same with fully homosexual people. There may be some middle ground with bi-sexual but again, being bi-sexual is not something they chose - it's who they are.

 

I believe it has now been accepted in scientific circles that people are born with their sexuality already predetermined. There is still a debate going about how much of that is determined genetically and how much through hormonal influence during fetal development in the womb but once you're out, you're pretty much all set...

 

Regards

[Alyxx Thorne]

Yeah, in the end, it depends on the balance of estrogen and testosterone in your body and how it affects your sexual direction.

[Obsidian]

Sexuality is a choice... Very few people ... are capable of making a choice that goes against their gut reaction and learning to accept, like, and even come to embrace it as part of their self...

 

What you say actually illustrates how sexuality is NOT a choice.

 

Doing something that goes against your instinctive feelings is a choice, yes, but it cannot change your instincts.

 

A strictly heterosexual man can override the instinctive disgust and have sex with another man using his will power (and perhaps imagining that he is doing it with a woman to keep his wedding tackle up) but it will not make him homosexual. I suspect, it is the same with fully homosexual people. There may be some middle ground with bi-sexual but again, being bi-sexual is not something they chose - it's who they are.

 

I believe it has now been accepted in scientific circles that people are born with their sexuality already predetermined. There is still a debate going about how much of that is determined genetically and how much through hormonal influence during fetal development in the womb but once you're out, you're pretty much all set...

 

Regards

 

Actually what you said and what I said (I don't even know how you could misinterpret the meaning of my words, but congrats on doing what I thought impossible) shows that sexuality is a choice. Is the biological part a choice? Who knows, but the lifestyle part is and always will be a choice. People who step back, throw their hands up, and blame their biology are pathetic. If you're going to make a lifestyle choice, own up to it, don't say "well, it's in our genes..." bleh.

 

Also, who are you kidding? Humans have proven that they can override their instincts more times than I could hope to count in my remaining lifespan. I'd hate to imagine where I'd be if I were a weakling that couldn't override and change my 'natural' feelings to suit my own agenda.

[Alyxx Thorne]

To me, it doesn't matter what a person's sexual orientation is.

[Vapymid]

Actually what you said and what I said (I don't even know how you could misinterpret the meaning of my words, but congrats on doing what I thought impossible) shows that sexuality is a choice.

 

OK, I'll try to clarify. Whether or not to have sex with someone you are not biologically attracted to (i.e. action) is a choice. Sexuality (i.e. sexual orientation) is not.

 

To me, it doesn't matter what a person's sexual orientation is.

 

Same here. Unless he is trying to make a pass at me

 

Regards

[Doom Shepherd]

I'd hate to imagine where I'd be if I were a weakling that couldn't override and change my 'natural' feelings to suit my own agenda.

 

Don't worty, I'm sure you'll find out, since you are currently on the internet pretending to be superior.

[Obsidian]

I'd hate to imagine where I'd be if I were a weakling that couldn't override and change my 'natural' feelings to suit my own agenda.

 

Don't worty, I'm sure you'll find out, since you are currently on the internet pretending to be superior.

 

What does it mean to worty? I'm not familiar with that term...

 

I won't worty, since I know this statement is from someone who doesn't know me in real life and, in the event that this person did know me in real life, would be so blinded by their own disbelief to see the truth before their eyes. By the way, all that I described was a sense of self-control, not superiority. If you chose to interpret that single statement in such a way, that's your issue, not mine.

[Alyxx Thorne]

Excuse me for saying this but pointing out typos like that is kind of dick'ish so please refrain from doing so. It's obviously he meant to write "worry" and if you're intelligent enough to be in this discussion, you're intelligent enough to understand that and ignore the typo.

 

In short, don't be a grammar nazi. It ruins the discussion and only puts you in a bad light.

 

Moving on.

[Axeldeath]

Well, I'm a hater and I'm not cool with that. I don't care are such people happy or not, in my opinion they are unnatural. No offence, I just don't understand such behavior and I don't want to.

 

Every single imaginable fetish is "unnatural", all of them are psychological disorders or based upon existing mental issues.

 

Also, you just committed the "appeal to nature" fallacy. Natural is not automatically better than unnatural.

 

Kids? Animals? Corpse?

 

Haha, that's a good one. I didn't know if you realized this but homosexuals tend to be consenting adults. Not emotionally and physically immature children or beings that cannot consent to sex.

 

Well said, and why let whatever gender someone's attracted to get in the way of who they are?

 

Well the sexuality of a person tends to be a large part of their personality.

 

In reality, we're unlikely to ever find aliens who would be remotely attractive to us, and the odds of them being reproductively compatible are absurdly low. We would be biologically closer to species on our own planet than any extraterrestrial form of life, so if we're not having sex with other species here, it would make very little sense to have sex with aliens.

 

Look man, people already fuck animals and those of the same gender. I hardly think that everyone cares about reproductive compatibility.

I'd find it extremely unlikely that some people wouldn't find aliens attractive seeing how popular tentacle porn is.

[Vapymid]

Tentacle porn???

 

Regards

[Estophelen]

I didn't read this thread, I came here only to say that I like tentacle porn.

It's okay to say it's a bit awkward.

[Kirkreng]

Look man, people already fuck animals and those of the same gender. I hardly think that everyone cares about reproductive compatibility.

I'd find it extremely unlikely that some people wouldn't find aliens attractive seeing how popular tentacle porn is.

I am not sure on this, since I personally don't find it very arousing, but I think the people that enjoy tentacle porn do it because of the females involved. Not the tentacles. My guess is that people enjoy it because it is basically straight sex but without having to watch a naked male(which makes many people uncomfortable). At least so far, I have never come across tentacle on tentacle porn.

[Alyxx Thorne]

Rule number 1 in porn: If you include a hot chick, it's hot.

[Wheatley]

Every single imaginable fetish is "unnatural", all of them are psychological disorders or based upon existing mental issues.

 

Not that I disagree with your message that what's strictly "natural" is pretty much irrelevant, but this seems like a far-fetched claim. Psychology has a history of labeling anything outside of the social norm as a "disorder" (homosexuality used to be a disorder until it became more accepted), I don't think we can really establish with any degree of certainty that fetishes are based on "existing mental issues". I've never seen a convincing neurological study to support this, and most of the psychological material on such things reads like pseudoscience.

 

Look man, people already fuck animals and those of the same gender. I hardly think that everyone cares about reproductive compatibility.

I'd find it extremely unlikely that some people wouldn't find aliens attractive seeing how popular tentacle porn is.

 

Not consciously, but generally signs of genetic compatibility tends to be what we find attractive, with some exceptions, not necessarily our knowledge of whether reproduction is possible. Otherwise, we'd only be attracted to people with whom we didn't use condoms.

My main point was that every form of life on Earth evolved here on this planet, and is in some way related to us, usually genetically. Alien life would have evolved on a different planet, under different circumstances, and would have no biological relation to us at all. Something like the Mass Effect Asari is incredibly unlikely compared to, say, the aliens of District Nine. I'm not saying there wouldn't be a single person attracted to aliens, but I think it would a rather uncommon attraction, compared to the attraction to other humans and even terrestrial animals.

[Alyxx Thorne]

Xenophilia exists.

[Jek Jek Roo]

Is asexuality a sexual orientation? I know it's friggin rare, but it happens. Just asking